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Ramana Jala

09:06:18 PM 04/24/10

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DerkDerkistan wrote ...

Ramana Jala wrote ...

McCloud69 wrote ...

Yeetamart wrote ...
The "Cloak of the Bat" does not seem to work properly
The Spell Immunity to Darkness is not working (though I have only tested once)
The given Darkvision does not make a difference (tested at many different locations)

Yeah, this from what I have been told is an old bug that is unfixable or is on the low end of being fixed. I've suggested that a removal of the immunity of darkness and have it replace with like the spell darkness once a day or perhaps something along the lines of what is written on its description of the item.

I think I read something about this on the NWN Vault or Wiki or somewhere about Immunity from Darkness, that the Immunity does not dispell the Darkness VFX but it does enable you to hit creatures inside the Darkness area, when normally you yourself would be blinded from seeing them to target them unless you cast an Ultravision spell on yourself to be able to see in Darkness. Just use the tab key to find your target. Seems to work like this for me.

And I haven't had noticed any issues with the Darkvision, always being able to find my way in the darkest area without ever using any light source. She's an elf (low-light vision), but although I haven't tested her lately without the Cloak of the Bat, which she wears most all the time, I think that she used to have to wear the Darkvision/Spot ring a lot, and never does anymore.

BTW, nowadays she quite frequently uses the Darkness Spell along with the Bat Cloak. I had thought the Darkness spell itself defective when she first used it, as it didn't make any difference on Fishermen kobolds who could hit her just fine in it, and I hadn't used it for a while. But lately she's tried it again with Ogres and with Wyvern, and the Darkness worked well, them not being able to hit her at all. And I was prepared to cast an Ultravision spell, like her old teacher taught her so she could see inside of the Darkness to target them, but instead I happened to discover that I could just Tab to target them through the Darkness VFX, so I thought that must be the cloak's benefit.

Are you still getting the 50% chance to miss when you do attack them, though?

I haven't noticed any Miss chance, to me I just Tab to target, and then every time she seems to hit like normal. I'll have to look closer at the combat log next time I use it. But let me bring to your attention the material below, bolding mine.

I looked this up in the NWN Wiki and found these pages: Darkness

Darkness cloaks those within the affected area, rendering them effectively blind and invisible. Visually, this is shown as a blackened region, with those within given a darkened appearance (both of these are purely visual and do not influence combat).

The invisibility-like results of darkness differ from normal invisibility in that ultravision is substituted for see invisibility (negating the concealment and modifiers to attack rolls that result from being invisible). The blindness-like results of darkness differ from normal blindness in that both ultravision and true seeing completely nullify it (even the aspects that true seeing would not normally nullify, namely the miss chance and flat-footedness). These nullifications persist until the character re-enters darkness, even if the reason for them (true sight or ultravision) is lost.

The visual aspects of darkness are retained, even for characters with true seeing or ultravision. A player can use the <tab> key to highlight where enemies are, though (when one of these effects is active in darkness).

When a creature enters a region of darkness, one of three things happens.

1.If the creature is immune to the spell that generated darkness and does not have spell level absorption, it receives neither the darkened appearance nor the effective blindness and invisibility (possibly a bug as it remains fully visible to all creatures outside).

2.Otherwise, if the creature created the darkness, it gains the darkened appearance and effective invisibility.

3.Otherwise, the creature receives the darkened appearance, effective invisibility, and effective blindness.

Darkvision does not pierce magical darkness.

and Darkness Spell

Description: All creatures within the area of effect are shrouded in a haze of darkness which can only be pierced using ultravision or true seeing.

Notes
This spell does not have a somatic component, so it can be cast while wearing full armor and shield, ignoring arcane spell failure.

True seeing and ultravision do not remove the darkness visual for a character. Rather, they allow a character to target items and creatures normally without being hindered by blindness or the target's invisibility. A player can use the <tab> key to highlight enemies when he/she has one of these effects active in darkness.

Non-player characters who do not have true seeing or ultravision tend to just stand still when in darkness unless they are in melee weapon range of an enemy, in which case they will attack.

A character may see a message stating a spell resistance check was performed. The failure or success is meaningless here, rather the message magic immunity (triggered by having immunity to the spell cast) gives the actual immunity. All other messages (even that from spell level absorption) will not grant immunity to the non-visual effects.

but did not find Immunity to Darkness. Both of these pages unequivocally state that the only counters to Darkness are Ultravision or True Seeing, and that they don't remove the Darkness VFX but enable targeting by Tab.

So it makes me wonder if the Cloak actually has either Ultravision or True Seeing but just named Immunity.

But I'm confused, as that first page implies that the creature that created the Darkness does not receive the blindness. The fellow who taught me and my character how to use Darkness said it was always necessary to cast Ultravision before he cast Darkness, so that his character could see to target. But now I'm wondering if that was necessary. I'll have to take off the Bat Cloak and see what happens for my caster inside her Darkness Spell.

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As far as I'm aware, Ultravision is not available as a static effect on an item, and True Seeing would be shown as just that, True Seeing. If it had True Seeing, you'd be able to see invisible people and stealthed people Greater Sanctuary'd people.

But I seem to remember wearing the cloak and not having Ultravision cast and getting a 50% chance to miss. It made it not worth it to me.

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I just tested the cloak in the offline module, and I was able to hit every time by tab-selecting

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Ramana Jala

01:03:22 PM 04/25/10

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After having myself cast Darkness in the area, I can target by Tab Selecting, and having the Cloak on or -not- didn't seem to make a difference with that. I hypothesize that the caster of Darkness isn't actually blinded for combat purposes (like the Wiki implied), it's just that the VFX remains. So it's unknown whether the Cloak would do anything for a non-caster victim of Darkness.

But yeah, there is that 50% concealed thing I hadn't noticed, and having the Cloak on or not didn't make any difference with that either.

This combat log screenie is for Ramana casting Darkness Spell, then attacking a Troll. While -not- wearing the Cloak of the Bat (I have a screenie for her doing this while wearing the Cloak, but like I said, no obvious differences). There is that 50% obscuration of the enemy, like you said. But she doesn't have Ultravision on, I'll have to try that sometime. (Wonder if Ultravision would affect the Sneak Attacks against her.) I'm not sure about how the enemy attack rolls are computed, but I've rarely noticed the enemy getting a hit, so I suppose it is true that the enemy is truly blinded. (Actually the only enemy I've ever noticed get hits were a gang of Fishermen kobolds a real long time ago, don't know if that's a racial perk.)

*Shrugs* I'm no expert on the why of this all, but I guess it does bring into question again whether the Cloak of the Bat actually does anything besides its Hide skill stat. Have to have someone else besides the Cloak wearer herself cast Darkness and see how that combat goes.

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Edit by Lightfoot: It's a known issue that the darkness immunity is either bugged or does nothing.

[ Edited 01:06:51 PM 04/25/10 ]

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Seems that the Rod of Wonder abilities are not working. At least on the ones that were found recently.

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C_McG wrote ...

Seems that the Rod of Wonder abilities are not working. At least on the ones that were found recently.

I can confirm that.

Hela has two rods of wonder. They seem identical, but only one (the old one) of them will work.

The one which work has a "Rod of Wonder" ability 2/day. The one which does not work has a "Unique power" ability 2/day.

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Hmm... might need to swap those out for another version. Hit me up when you see me on the DM client. Or ask in the DM channel if a DM has time to do that for you.

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The Great White seen off the coast is quite aggressive and territorial. It decided it didn't like the Hammerheads moving in with it.

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Edit to add: This is the area where Rianna and Captain Pho were.

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I'm seeing the no shop available message from Guzbee after having bought something successfully from him before.

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